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post #31 of 33 Old 02-22-2017, 11:16 PM
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In answer to the age old question which comes 1st chicken or egg?

CAFE comes 1st. If truck is under 7.0 m2 "footprint"/6000lbs GVWR, then it needs to get 36 mpg CAFE rating increasing to 42 by 2021. If it is over, it only needs to get 25. Which is why we only see "mid sized" trucks from Toyota/Chevrolet/etc and only in super/crew cabs. Regular cab, short box would drop footprint too small.

But I don't want something 4" wider/24" longer than my '98 Ranger, payload of >2,500lb/5k lb towing; I don't need that or the 4k lbs of truck needed to achieve that. I actually want something as small/smaller than original Ranger which is 3" narrower/12" shorter than my '98; 750-1k lb payload/3,500lb towing meets my requirement. I have seriously looked at Ridgeline - don't like the high load height for box, but understand Honda had 3 choices: high, narrow or solid rear axle and narrow and solid rear axle weren't happening. And I don't like the pastel colours of Ridgeline - give me something bold - Jeeps glowing orange / lime green or equivalent (Silver of concept with its yellow accents is just on edge of acceptable).

So, Santa Cruz has to stay close to original concept or I am not interested. And I liked the styling - CUV with external bed, so I can carry messy, oversized "stuff" without the sandwich maker losing her mind about getting things dirty.

Fiat Toro is same size as the Ridgeline, Tacoma, GMC twins, etc. (Kind of shocked me when I originally looked at the specs, I was expecting a Strados size vehicle). With it being same size as the predicted Jeep pickup, Toro has always been a non-starter in North American market.

I will be acting in next 18 months; so, Hyundai better act or I will have a new Ranger/Jeep pickup/Tacoma in the garage instead.

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The Wrangler Pickup I feel will be separated from the class to a certain extent. A lot more rugged, a lot more capable in the off-road sector. A lot of people were putting the Raptors against the Wrangler Pickup as competition as well as the Tacoma TRD Pro.
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The Wrangler Pickup I feel will be separated from the class to a certain extent. A lot more rugged, a lot more capable in the off-road sector. A lot of people were putting the Raptors against the Wrangler Pickup as competition as well as the Tacoma TRD Pro.
Well with its longer wheelbase the Wrangler pickup will lose that part of its offroad advantage. It will be interesting to see comparisons to its primary competitors: Tacoma TRD Pro and Colorado ZR2.
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