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Tires have hit 5/32 and need new ones…

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#1 ·
Hello everyone! my SC is at 18k miles and my treads are about to go below 6/32 (not sure if that’s normal, because that seems a little fast). I’ve narrowed it down to two choices: Geolandar g015 in 265/60/18 or the General Altimax 365 aw in 245/60/18. I’m not sure if I should go a large size or stay factory, because the area I live in is either dry or raining.. rarely any snow. I also drive on the beach frequently, so I air down often. I’m aware that they are different sizes and different types of tires, but I wanted to see which would make sense with the area I’m in. I also chose three peak mountain snow rating just in case it decides to snow this year.
 
#2 · (Edited)
The Yokohama are made in USA or japan. The general made in Mexico. The generals have a lot of siping so may be loud. Ive never mounted a set and it's a newer tire. but the G015 is a common tire. Far rougher than the general and a lot heavier load rating than most would run on a cruz. Ive mounted many of the yoko. Not the quietest or best on road tire. Lol. I wouldn't put them on the Cruz. More for a small truck IMO. Neither would be my pick. But you have to decide of you want smooth and quiet or louder and rougher and then decide from there. Do you want on road performance or do you want a offroad.

If your not in ice and snow you don't need siping. It only hurts treadlife and makes noise and decreases steering feel.

As far as sand, airing down makes them go. You usually don't want to dig. If you dig at all in a cruz your bottomed out. A taller tire sidewall will flatten or more when aired down. Old baja rigs often ground tread off of their tires to race. The old baja corvettes ran a big fat race slick pretty much. Even in the bronco wrangler etc you rarely go anywhere once you slip a tire. You just go straight down and sit on your axles. Niether tire would be better or worse in sand. You want to stay on top.

In my experience Yokohama balances and performs better than general across the board.
 
#3 ·
The Yokohama are made in USA. The general made in Mexico. The generals have a lot of siping so may be loud. Ive never mounted a set and it's a newer tire. but the G015 is a common tire. Far rougher than the general. Ive mounted many of the yoko. Not the quietest or best on road tire. Lol. I wouldn't put them on the Cruz. More for a small truck IMO. Neither would be my pick. But you have to decide of you want smooth and quiet or louder and rougher and then decide from there
What are some tires you would recommend?
 
#4 · (Edited)
What are some tires you would recommend?
Entirely based on what you want. I mean if you want to look mean and go on mud you can't beat an LTB or swamper. If you want to track it the F1, pilot sport, or potenza are hard to beat. Lol. For snow the x-ice, Blizzak, or hakapiletta r10.......just depends what you want. Our Cruz is a highway machine. I want a car tire. I have 4x4 trucks and a jeep and Bronco if I needed offroad. And the Cruz is pretty mediocre awd anyway. Id choose car like handling and low road noise for that vehicle.

I also run dedicated winter tires on most of my vehicles so I don't really need the compromise myself. I do mount the g015 on several light trucks and big suv. They really don't compliment a plush riding and good handling vehicle like a Durango or new cherokee IMO. They give up a lot on a good passenger tire and gain little. Excellent tire for a ranger/Dakota/f150 etc though. 110 load rating on that size so gas mileage probably take a decent hit.

The general is more of a highway tread that id go with but then the siping would make me stay away. Siping makes the tire squish into the road. I have a siping cutter I use for winter tires. For ice, siping makes more difference than anything else. But on dry roads its just makes noise and wears faster. That siping (and the high temp) is why winter tires won't last on dry roads. Its also makes a tire loud and let's it squirm around and have sorrier steering feel.

If I wanted an AT and had to have one vehicle for many uses it would be a wildpeak or baja boss. For a less harsh AT maybe the g015 or ltx trail. But either one is giving up a lot of what makes the Cruz a nice vehicle IMO. If your going to have a truck ride and truck noise....there are plenty of trucks that are FAR better at being a truck.

For an all season i like the latitude tour or the yoko avids. The pirelli all season plus3 is a great tire too. All those have excellent on road manners and tread life. But then you give up any real mud or snow ability. No 3 peak will perform like a blizzak or hakkapiletta though.

I have very little for the three peak designation. It simply means that the tire has 110% of the performance of the average tire in hard packed snow. That is industry BS and means little to me. Research it. Pretty vague really

Its entirely based on what you want. I see people mount super swamper boggers or Maxis bighorn on a Denali or aviator. Or z rated pirelli on a yaris..... but decide what is most important and go from that.
 
#5 ·
And tire reviews are next to worthless IMO. No matter what tire you are interested in....for every one that says its the best tire on snow you have one that says its bar none the worst tire in snow. For every one who claims to have gotten 85k miles you have one that was bald at 8.5k. Lol

I've found you about better off to just buy it and see for yourself. Reviews will just frustrate and confuse.
 
#7 ·
The OEM tires are quiet and for me (22k miles) are wearing well. They provide a comfortable ride and the dry/wet handling is excellent. There is my review....so when they need to be replaced I will likely replace them with the same tire.
Mine have been a decent enough tire as well. The op is pretty worn at 18k miles though. Mine are certainly not new at 10k and I wouldn't expect more than 25k. Thats mediocre mileage at best for an all season tire. I'll likely go to a Michelin or pirelli all season but again I don't need the Cruz for snow or offroad. If I did im not sure what I'd run.

The car drives and handles well enough and is quiet inside so id really really hate to have to run an all terrain on it. Even a relatively good mannered one.
 
#11 ·
18k seems awfully fast for tires rated to last 65k, have you tried making a warranty try claim with Kumho? Is everything else solid? Alignment etc. I know beaches wear tires a bit more but still seems excessive. Then again I only do occasional sand or gravel so what do I know
without documentation from the scheduled rotations Kumho will do nothing.

But absolutely true if the op has his paperwork from the rotations they could get another set for half price at the very worst case if Kumho pro rates the tires. Maybe the best option here.

I've never had a tire company really even ask about sand use or anything when I was dealing with mileage and pro rating. So that may not matter. I wouldn't volunteer the info though.
 
#13 ·
without documentation from the scheduled rotations Kumho will do nothing.

But absolutely true if the op has his paperwork from the rotations they could get another set for half price at the very worst case if Kumho pro rates the tires. Maybe the best option here.

I've never had a tire company really even ask about sand use or anything when I was dealing with mileage and pro rating. So that may not matter. I wouldn't volunteer the info though.
I do have the Carfax that my dealership updated every time I went in for an oil change and tire rotation. Would that be a possibly?
 
#16 ·
I do have the Carfax that my dealership updated every time I went in for an oil change and tire rotation. Would that be a possibly?
Yep. That or the app either one is sufficient. Even without anything most 60-70k mile tires they would pro rate or replace if they only had 18k. I mean you are only 2-3 rotations in based on 5-7500 mile intervals. 10k intervals you only had 1.

I've dealt with Michelin, Kelly, Goodrich, and Bridgestone. All have been more than lax. A buddy of mine ran Douglas for 20 years and never paid full price for a tire since they all got prorated.

18k isn't much. Ive had mud terrains get that much and I usually give my "worn" (mud tires suck after 1/2 tread if you actually wheel) mud tires away with 1/3 or more tread to someone who will run them lower than that.
 
#19 · (Edited)
So from what I have heard about factory tires is that they tend to be softer to provide a quiet ride when test driving and having the vehicle for the first year or so. I could be wrong, but have heard it from at least 2-3 different people. So I wouldn’t be surprised if the tires do wear down faster.
Some cars and suv do come with softer or grippier tires that can only be obtained through the dealership and are basically only mounted for a demo on what the vehicle can do.... ive tried to get jeep, Toyota, and Lexus oem tires for people and simply couldn't get them. The Cruz comes with normal tires that I can order to my shop through any of my distributors though. Walmart and tire rack carry the crugen as well.

Its a dirty tactic IMO. Lol. Most base or normal level vehicles come with plain run of the mill tires though. Usually it's limited performance models like zr1 or gt350 or challenger 170 that come with super sticky tires to look better on 0-60 and other tests in the press. Rubicon and fj came with special limited tires too. Goodrich had moved on to the km2 and km3 but continued to make the km1 in only 1 size for the jeep. Lexus and Lincoln both ran a special toyo a20 that was soft and quiet but lasted 10k or so. Lol. Made for an excellent quiet test drive. Could only be bought through dealers. No warehouse and no warranty

Normal vehicles USUALLY come with normal tires. F150 ships with the Goodyear territory AT. A terrible tire IMO but a petty good seller none the less. Acadia/ equinox ships with the Michelin latitude tour (probably the most sold suv tire today). Chevy half tons ship with Michelin ltx. Again one of the most common tires we sell. Highlander used to ship with an exclusive but now come with geolander-cv. Rav 4 has a plain Dunlop.

Most tires come with a tread depth of 9 or 10/32". If they're wearing even then you're about half worn, so you can go another 15-18 k-miles before replacement is mandatory.
If your at 5/32s and you started with 10 your most certainly not at the middle of the usable tread.... you will fail any inspection and get a ticket anywhere if your riding around with that 0/32nd left. Lol. Most states require 2/32 minimum and if your driving in rain or God forbid... snow, your screwed at that.

The most often thrown around number for safety in the industry for anything other than uhp/dry use is a minimum of 4/32

As far as warranty, every tires has a written number on what the tread must be down to for pro rate. Ive never seen one under 2/32.
 
#22 ·
Your tread usage does seem more prevalent than mine. I just passed 24k and have 6/32. Lots of people here saying their tires are quiet. I must have gotten a bad batch, because they are far from quiet. Definitely will be replacing them with something different when the time comes. I might even look into tires with sound deadening like they put on electric vehicles. 🤔