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Tell that to the mass of men all throughout North America that own V8 trucks which for the most part aren't pushed to limits that they are capable of.

Same can be said for other types of vehicles.
I think that will switch very soon. Don't you think that once people realize that the smaller engines are just as capable they will switch? Or is it more about the sound then it is about a lack of understanding about the capabilities of the smaller engines?
 

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The V8 fad is dwindling. Ford sells far more ecoboost V6 trucks than with the V8.

GM and Dodge will hold on to their V8s longer since they are smaller, easier to package, and less complex because of their OHV design.
 

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I am reading that the Colorado and Canyon are going to be getting diesel engines with the goal of getting over 30 mpg highway. So if the Santa Cruz gets a diesel engine, it looks like it will still have some stiff competition in the segment.

Over 30: That's the MPG Goal for New Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyon Diesel ? News ? Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog
But the Canyon and Colorado are traditional trucks, throwing them into the same ring as the SC is just a poor comparison, irrelevant here.
 

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I am reading that the Colorado and Canyon are going to be getting diesel engines with the goal of getting over 30 mpg highway. So if the Santa Cruz gets a diesel engine, it looks like it will still have some stiff competition in the segment.

Over 30: That's the MPG Goal for New Chevy Colorado/GMC Canyon Diesel ? News ? Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog
Their goal is to just break 30 mpg hwy. The diesel GM midsizes are also going to be much more expensive. According to information out there so far, the diesel will only be available on the mid level LT trim crew cab which starts at $30k with the gas V6. Add on a couple thousand more for the diesel.

The SC with a diesel should have an average city and hwy mpg around 30 mpg and hwy closer to 40 mpg. There will still be a good $5k or more gap between them when similarly equipped. The SC will be just fine.
 

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Pushing 40 MPG's is what will really get the attention of a lot of folks from how I see it, already 30 is enough to get them interested.
 

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In real world situations that might be the case but you'd probably have to hypermile the best you can.
You mean that you have to drive completely with fuel mileage as your focus? Efficient, but probably not very fun.
 

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Well yeah, that's if getting the most matters to you. To some folks it won't. When communting to and from work i won't care for fun. I have a fun car for that.
 

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I've never thought of this as a metric that should be measured till now, but it would be interesting to know the range of gas mileage that a vehicle can exhibit. Maybe some vehicles will only get a little less efficient if you push them super hard, while others will be drastically different.
 

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EPA mpg estimates on window stickers are listed with a mpg range.
I almost always by default use it as a reference point since real world numbers are what really get my attention over anything. And then of course knowing the specifics of those real world numbers.
 

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I've never thought of this as a metric that should be measured till now, but it would be interesting to know the range of gas mileage that a vehicle can exhibit. Maybe some vehicles will only get a little less efficient if you push them super hard, while others will be drastically different.
That's definitely a given. Hondas use 240cc injectors on a 4 cylinder, SRT4 engines from 04/05 use 530cc injectors on a 4 cylinder. The amount of fuel usage is drastically different but the amount of power is drastically different. You smash the gas pedal on a Honda for a minute and use 5L of fuel, do the same on the SRT and you'll be using 10+L of fuel. (figures used for examples, cc aren't exact but in average range)
 

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Maybe the Santa Cruz will get the Volkswagen Amarok’s diesel V6 engine and 2.7-liter twin-turbo V6. That's what Hyundai Australia product boss Andrew Tuitahi said to Motoring.

“What we’ve seen typically is a four-cylinder diesel workhorse but we’re watching Amarok come with a V6, the Ranger Raptor with a 2.7-litre V6 turbo maybe.”
 

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They at a tough point because right now car makers are talking about phasing out diesels and going right to cleaner setups, meanwhile we have yet to see anything about the Santa Cruz. Best way to proceed is with a hybrid powertrain, even if it means further delaying the SC.
 

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Maybe we'll see the Volkswagen Amarok’s diesel V6 engine in the Santa Cruz. Hyundai Australia product leader Andrew Tuitahi was interested in it when speaking for Motoring. He also mentioned the upcoming Ford Ranger's 2.7-liter twin-turbo V6 engine as a source of inspiration.
 
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